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was an fbi agent. i worked as a federal prosecutor the report directly to the department ofjustice. they work for the department justice. the idea you didot know about it, i don't understand that. lou: is it even imaginable that the head of the fbi and te attorney general would not have some considerable discussion about surveillance of the hed of the country's foremost spy agency? we will come right back with the case for an answer that question. at least the lou: fiscal cliff, fiscal cliff. you think we will be able to get a solution, these things, the president will stand up and leave in the two partiesill come together, embrace higher taxes and less spending? >> yes, i do. i really beliive in this country. labeling the country the brightest spot in the world two weeks ago. something has to be done, this is his moment to leave. >> i hope you are right. lou: do you agree or just hoping? >> i am in the hoping cegory. i have not seen any indication in that, any indication of embracing. neil: saying rep
was an fbi agent. i worked as a federal prosecutor the report directly to the department ofjustice. they work for the department justice. the idea you didot know about it, i don't understand that. lou: is it even imaginable that the head of the fbi and te attorney general would not have some considerable discussion about surveillance of the hed of the country's foremost spy agency? we will come right back with the case for an answer that question. at least the lou: fiscal cliff, fiscal cliff....
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the fbi thought that he would be immediately asked to resign. that's what would normally happen with a government employee, but, in fact, the white house said no, we want to wait until after the election. so agents were furious. i've been given insight to the actual agents that were doing the case, and they think it's inexcusable that this was allowed to continue for months without firing him. >> let me just jump in there, ronald. obviously, this is all your independent claims and reporting. we've been unable to corroborate this in the time scale we've had tonight but you do have very good fbi sources. i want to turn to bob baer. he's the cnn does this make sense to you that this could be the sequence of events? >> oh, absolutely, but i tend to attribute more significance to the fbi of getting into petraeus' e-mails. the fbi, as a matter of course, doesn't look at affairs, doesn't read military officers' e-mails or cia officers. they have to be alerted to some sort of crime or counterintelligence problem. i can only speculate what that would be.
the fbi thought that he would be immediately asked to resign. that's what would normally happen with a government employee, but, in fact, the white house said no, we want to wait until after the election. so agents were furious. i've been given insight to the actual agents that were doing the case, and they think it's inexcusable that this was allowed to continue for months without firing him. >> let me just jump in there, ronald. obviously, this is all your independent claims and...
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me at fbi headquarters. fbi has senior officials embedded throughout cia headquarters and working together in the field. the cia is well aware that if an allegation is made against minimum, whether it's here in the cia or they're somewhere else in the government, that's the fbi's responsibility, and they have the jurisdiction to look at the matter, on visit the matter. this is not based on, you know -- again, the fbi begins its investigation. they have no clue that it's going to lead to someone at the cia, so this is -- the thing about animosity with the cia is in this matter particularly ridiculous. >> david petraeus visit security clearance on cnm.com for more information. >>> still thousands of folks without power. across ten states, recovering from superstorm sandy taking longer, much longer accident than people had hoped. >> god is with us, and we know we're going to have help soon. i trust in our government, you know, we're going to have help soon, and everything is going to be all right. ♪ ♪ we're
me at fbi headquarters. fbi has senior officials embedded throughout cia headquarters and working together in the field. the cia is well aware that if an allegation is made against minimum, whether it's here in the cia or they're somewhere else in the government, that's the fbi's responsibility, and they have the jurisdiction to look at the matter, on visit the matter. this is not based on, you know -- again, the fbi begins its investigation. they have no clue that it's going to lead to someone...
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the fbi. as i understand it they have protocols in place for when the notify the legislative and executive branches of investigations. the fbi is the place to go in terms of explanation the protocols they follow. i would refer, that said earlier, to policies in place at the fbi for how they deal with notifications investigations. lou: as you saw and heard, a frustrating day for the white house press corps. the president spokesman however did not shy away from a question on this petraeus would testify in front of congress on benghazi. made it clear the administration is firmly supportive of petraeus' successor. he will be facing questions that are still lingering over if the cia refused requests for help on the ground on september 11 and why three days after that attack then director petraeus but in the attack in the flash mob incited by childish, amateurish, less than 14 minutes long youtube video. >> is up to congress to make decisions of who is called to testify. but the president is confide
the fbi. as i understand it they have protocols in place for when the notify the legislative and executive branches of investigations. the fbi is the place to go in terms of explanation the protocols they follow. i would refer, that said earlier, to policies in place at the fbi for how they deal with notifications investigations. lou: as you saw and heard, a frustrating day for the white house press corps. the president spokesman however did not shy away from a question on this petraeus would...
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this i was told by an fbi agent at a lie level, if this involved a high level fbi executive, he would have been out the door the same day. they wouldn't have left him in office. yet he was in office from the spring until october. and then just by coincidence obama is told two days after the election? it's so transparent that this is a big coverup. and the real issue, as you mentioned, is the blackmail issue. and that is russian foreign intelligence criminals, if they had gotten on to this affair, would have used it as blackmail against petraeus to get our biggest secrets, and that's why with the security clearance you are not supposed to compromise yourself in this way. >> let me go to the congressman. so the fbi director had to know. he meets with the president. eric holder had to know, he meets with the president. we are saying a cia director that is involved in a compromising situation that's correct that was not brought to the attention of the president? what if it wasn't? is that not dereliction of duty in is that not incompetence on that part? if the president did know, what doe
this i was told by an fbi agent at a lie level, if this involved a high level fbi executive, he would have been out the door the same day. they wouldn't have left him in office. yet he was in office from the spring until october. and then just by coincidence obama is told two days after the election? it's so transparent that this is a big coverup. and the real issue, as you mentioned, is the blackmail issue. and that is russian foreign intelligence criminals, if they had gotten on to this...
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earlier i asked why would the fbi investigate cia e-mails. >> because the fbi has jurisdiction if someone uses the internet to threat another person, so that's where the investigation began. it was not against director petraeus. it was because threats were being received over the internet and since they're coming in to someone working at cia headquarters and particularly in the executive area, that prompted the fbi to go ahead and investigate the threat. >> okay, so the big concern here then, that an outsider could have access quite simply to sensitive information and intelligence. >> well, that's the concern, when it starts, but when you look into that, in the cia or fbi headquarters or any of the intel agencies, often you have dual computer systems to that you can receive outside e-mails because someone might send a complaint over the public internet service providers, and then of course you have the classified e-mail systems internally, and they're completely separate, but the fact that someone's receiving a threat at that level, they have to investigate and look at the nature of the t
earlier i asked why would the fbi investigate cia e-mails. >> because the fbi has jurisdiction if someone uses the internet to threat another person, so that's where the investigation began. it was not against director petraeus. it was because threats were being received over the internet and since they're coming in to someone working at cia headquarters and particularly in the executive area, that prompted the fbi to go ahead and investigate the threat. >> okay, so the big concern...
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you have a situation where the fbi, let's start with the fbi. they going into ms. broadwell, what's her name again? >> paula broadwell's. >> paula broadwell's house and taking out boxes of stuff. now there san accusation that she may have had national security stuff in there? what's that all about. >> remember, she a reservist with military intelligence. she lt. colonel. it's not clear whether she was activated. but she did have a clearance at one point. so, supposedly, she took classified documents. she took them from government facilities but she wasn't allowed to have them in her house. so they are looking at whether or not national security breaches. david petraeus was not responsible for giving her those documents. kelley and petraeus at this point is just a personal matter an embarrassing personal matter, that's all. no other national security implications. >> between broadwell, yeah. between paula broadwell and david petraeus, it's an affair, there are questions whether she could be charged under the uniform code of military justice if she was activated in h
you have a situation where the fbi, let's start with the fbi. they going into ms. broadwell, what's her name again? >> paula broadwell's. >> paula broadwell's house and taking out boxes of stuff. now there san accusation that she may have had national security stuff in there? what's that all about. >> remember, she a reservist with military intelligence. she lt. colonel. it's not clear whether she was activated. but she did have a clearance at one point. so, supposedly, she...
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i'm sorry. >> the fbi -- >> no. the fact is based on what we know now, there was no harassment concluded and nothing threatening. no one said the e-mails were threatening. i said -- i think what the point david is trying to make and a legitimate question, who was the underlying predicate that the fbi had with the citizen got an e-mail to open up the preliminary inquiry? i don't think it's clear and becomes not about the threat or the harassment, whatever you want to call this thing related to kelly, this becomes the fbi's cyber division is concerned that petraeus's private e-mail is hacked in to. that's why they continue this and the crime they're looking at. this is a red herring about harassment of jill kelly, a private citizen and a social liaison. ludicrous. that's not a predicate. >> do you think they overstepped that? >> go ahead, tom. >> determination would be made that, you know, what's the content of these messages? they would take that to the u.s. attorney's office and determine whether or not this might b
i'm sorry. >> the fbi -- >> no. the fact is based on what we know now, there was no harassment concluded and nothing threatening. no one said the e-mails were threatening. i said -- i think what the point david is trying to make and a legitimate question, who was the underlying predicate that the fbi had with the citizen got an e-mail to open up the preliminary inquiry? i don't think it's clear and becomes not about the threat or the harassment, whatever you want to call this thing...
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the tip the fbi was acting on involved a rumored affair with his biography, paula broadwell. cnn has not been able to reach her for comment and it's also not clear whether she is the woman whom petraeus admitted having an affair with that led to his resignation. petraeus did not name the woman he was having an affair on. >>> more on general putretraeusd his career from chris lawrence. >> david petraeus sent this letter to the cia staff on friday admitting he had an affair and telling the staff that he had gone to the white house on thursday and asked president obama to accept his resignation. on friday during a phone call, the white house says the president did accept petraeus' resignation, throwing his national security team into fl just days after the election. by the time david petraeus got his first taste of real combat, he was a 50-year-old major general. in 2003, he commanded the 101st airborne during its march on baghdad. it was in iraq that he rhetorically asked a reporter, tell me how this ends, suggesting trouble the u.s. would have there in later years. there he ga
the tip the fbi was acting on involved a rumored affair with his biography, paula broadwell. cnn has not been able to reach her for comment and it's also not clear whether she is the woman whom petraeus admitted having an affair with that led to his resignation. petraeus did not name the woman he was having an affair on. >>> more on general putretraeusd his career from chris lawrence. >> david petraeus sent this letter to the cia staff on friday admitting he had an affair and...
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that's the fbi protocol, to keep them confidential. and i think what you're seeing right now over the weekend actually proves the point of what happens when something that has this kind of tabloid nature in addition to the fact that he's a high ranking officer of the intelligence community, if not one of the very highest, makes a reason to maintain the integrity of the investigation. >> one of the things that i was not aware of is that the fbi can access all classified cia e-mail. it's astounding. so given at, that's a lot of e-mail to go through. so perhaps that can added to the length of time that this took. and to my knowledge, it's not that they are looking for an affair. that's not illegal in the cia. they are not looking for an affair. they are looking for any product of an affair that could be constituted as illegal. with that in mind, doesn't protocol go out the window the moment an e-mail is found that constitutes the potential of classified information being in the hands of the wrong person of the mistress? >> i don't think p
that's the fbi protocol, to keep them confidential. and i think what you're seeing right now over the weekend actually proves the point of what happens when something that has this kind of tabloid nature in addition to the fact that he's a high ranking officer of the intelligence community, if not one of the very highest, makes a reason to maintain the integrity of the investigation. >> one of the things that i was not aware of is that the fbi can access all classified cia e-mail. it's...
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the fbi apparently acted by the book. you don't tip off the white house when you're engaging in a potentially criminal investigation. the agent in florida who then worried that the investigation was being stalled and went to a republican congressman who went to eric cantor, he has an illustrious record. he helped bring down the millennium plot. you can't blame him, either, for his apparent concern that this was not being studied appear prop it i can't tellly. so then the story got out, and i think general petraeus has acted honorably in resigning. i think he is going to do fine. he is going to get a book contract. he apparently wants to be president of princeton. he will have a year of probably giving speeches, making a lot of money. i don't feel sorry for him. >> if he wrote a book with the lady who wrote about him, paula broadwell, all in the education of david petraeus. he cooperated practically on the entire book. now he's going to write another book? >> he can write one about himself. he's not the author of this. thi
the fbi apparently acted by the book. you don't tip off the white house when you're engaging in a potentially criminal investigation. the agent in florida who then worried that the investigation was being stalled and went to a republican congressman who went to eric cantor, he has an illustrious record. he helped bring down the millennium plot. you can't blame him, either, for his apparent concern that this was not being studied appear prop it i can't tellly. so then the story got out, and i...
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she went to the fbi and doesn't realize that the fbi would do a total investigation in on her as well call petraeus. >> she is getting e-mails. and wouldn't she go to petraeus, you wouldn't believe this e-mail. i am getting them. >> if she had shame. >> but she thought she was so connected no one could bring her down. >> that is it a double entrendry. >> there is it one lawsuit and you know that a civil one could come between jill kelley and suing paula broadwell. she has been psycher stalked and she could actually go out and go after paula for doing that. >> you are sleeping with the head of the cia and you can write an autobigrammy . and you have no credentials to do and we'll award you money. >> some people think the terrorist attack caused by a youtube video. and people may. >> gloria allred will call jim kelley. >> her name will not be smoking. >> aren't you concerned about the fact that men can be so weak that they can're - can be manipulated. if you could read my mind 23 hours a day. we are sick human beings and we are visually stimulated and sexually predatorial. nand yes, we
she went to the fbi and doesn't realize that the fbi would do a total investigation in on her as well call petraeus. >> she is getting e-mails. and wouldn't she go to petraeus, you wouldn't believe this e-mail. i am getting them. >> if she had shame. >> but she thought she was so connected no one could bring her down. >> that is it a double entrendry. >> there is it one lawsuit and you know that a civil one could come between jill kelley and suing paula broadwell....
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in the fbi, there's no computer system inside the cia or the fbi that's connected to the internet. they're completely different systems. everybody at the cia knows you cannot put classified information inside public e-mail addresses. it just doesn't happen. the director, the rest of it -- yeah, there's a slight chance that someone could get some inside scoop on the director. but blackmail, come on, no. this guy's disciplined. he's smart, except for this affair. but he knows what he's doing. so the chances of actually getting into his e-mail and getting secrets are very remote. >> yeah. >> remote to none. >> because he had an affair doesn't mean he's not smart. he was vulnerable in that particular -- >> no, no. people succumb to it. he did. it's a tragedy. he was a great general. it's a tragedy for everybody concerned. i think frankly these things should just be kept quiet and people deal with it quietly. but i'm saying there's something else that we don't know that forced the urgency on this. and i'm very curious to see what it is. >> bob, we have to leave it there. thank you. appr
in the fbi, there's no computer system inside the cia or the fbi that's connected to the internet. they're completely different systems. everybody at the cia knows you cannot put classified information inside public e-mail addresses. it just doesn't happen. the director, the rest of it -- yeah, there's a slight chance that someone could get some inside scoop on the director. but blackmail, come on, no. this guy's disciplined. he's smart, except for this affair. but he knows what he's doing. so...
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to the fbi she communicates with a friend who she meets at a fbi commune a event. hey do you remember me, we were in touch can you look at somebody to look at this. he brings her to the cyber squd and they say where is this going to lead not knowing it was going of going to lead to the general's and so on. that's who jill kelly in the context of this case. who she is in the larger world is a tampa socialite married to a prominent although much lower profile and quiet radiologist from the moffett cancer center who was in the military community. she was on the social roster, she was on the socom that's special operations command social roster. she jumped with the parajumpers in a tan done jump. she attended the admiral's parties and affairs and so on. that's who she is in that context. >> rose: so she went to the cyber whatever the name was and then they began to look at her e-mails and who she received e-mails from and from that they found e-mails having to do with general john allen. >> right one of the ways you do a case, all right let's see who is sending the har
to the fbi she communicates with a friend who she meets at a fbi commune a event. hey do you remember me, we were in touch can you look at somebody to look at this. he brings her to the cyber squd and they say where is this going to lead not knowing it was going of going to lead to the general's and so on. that's who jill kelly in the context of this case. who she is in the larger world is a tampa socialite married to a prominent although much lower profile and quiet radiologist from the...
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the fbi woif been the ones to look into that. the official told us that the fbi counterintelligence unit investigated this to see whether or not there was a potential security risk really whether anyone could have taken this information and blackmailed general petraeus with it, which would have been a security risk. the official says there's no suggestion that the fbi was investigating petraeus for any possible wrong doing but more they were looking at him for potential vulnerability. >> they were looking to see if this affair which he has now acknowledged potentially could have resulted in classified information going to an inappropriate source, is that what you're saying? >> that's one possibility that the fbi looks at when they conduct investigations like this. another would have been if somebody had information on him that they could have used to blackmail him, if you don't do what wi want, we're going to take it public and ruin your career. that's why the fbi stepped in to investigate. >> fran, you know general petraeus as w
the fbi woif been the ones to look into that. the official told us that the fbi counterintelligence unit investigated this to see whether or not there was a potential security risk really whether anyone could have taken this information and blackmailed general petraeus with it, which would have been a security risk. the official says there's no suggestion that the fbi was investigating petraeus for any possible wrong doing but more they were looking at him for potential vulnerability. >>...
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when you have those two things, that's the fbi's real role. in terms of the cia, they wouldn't have taken an investigatory look. i think they're going to have to deal with the shock of it all. >> paula introduced herself to david petraeus. she was a paratrooper, attractive, in great shape. petraeus has always be attracted to intellectual officers. she was writing a book. they used to in afghanistan, they would go on five-mile jogs together, but he goes out on file mile jogs with a lot of reporters who are capable, but it's a very strange and completely surprising. >> it is and i'll leave it with this, that paula broadwell just published this week, general david petraeus' rules for living. we all make mistake, learn from them, drive on and avoid making them again. next, we have more on the resignation. peter king, the chair of the homeland security committee with how it could put the u.s. at risk. plus, after spending millions to elect mitt romney, has karl rove lost his touch? a look at all the money spent and wasted this election and it has b
when you have those two things, that's the fbi's real role. in terms of the cia, they wouldn't have taken an investigatory look. i think they're going to have to deal with the shock of it all. >> paula introduced herself to david petraeus. she was a paratrooper, attractive, in great shape. petraeus has always be attracted to intellectual officers. she was writing a book. they used to in afghanistan, they would go on five-mile jogs together, but he goes out on file mile jogs with a lot of...
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now officials say the affair was discovered during an fbi investigation. more now from news reporter martha. >>reporter: cia director petraeus held all of the nation secrets. but was keeping a big one of his own. today in a statement to cia employees the man considered a national hero by some acknowledged the affair what he calls his extremely poor judgment. such behavior is unacceptable the statement said. both as a husband and as the leader of an organization such as ours. petraeus went to the white house yesterday to turn in his resignation. same place he had so frequently been called upon to serve. >> great privilege to serve with our young men and women. >>reporter: today in a statement president obama praised petraeus dedication and patriotism and said his thoughts and prayers are with dave and holly petraeus. holly and dave petraeus have been married 38 years. she was the daughter of the command didn't of west point during his years at the academy. he went on to distinguished military career in iraq under george w. bush tenure. >> general petraeus w
now officials say the affair was discovered during an fbi investigation. more now from news reporter martha. >>reporter: cia director petraeus held all of the nation secrets. but was keeping a big one of his own. today in a statement to cia employees the man considered a national hero by some acknowledged the affair what he calls his extremely poor judgment. such behavior is unacceptable the statement said. both as a husband and as the leader of an organization such as ours. petraeus went...
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fbi was investigating the retired four star general after allegations surfaced he was having an affair with a woman who was writing his biography. paula broadwell. the official says there were concerns petraeus as head of the cia could be blackmailed. he acknowledged an extramarital affair in his resignation letter to colleagues. it's not clear if broadwell is the woman who was having an fair with. we've been unable to reach her for comment on this. >>> now petraeus was appointed cia chief last november. before that, he was the commander of u.s. and nato forces in afghanistan. we get more on his legacy and unexpected resignation from chris lawrence. >> reporter: he sent this letter to the rest of the cia on friday admitting to them that he had an affair and that he went to the white house on thursday and asked president obama to accept his resignation. on friday, during a phone call, the president did accept that resignation. effectively shaking up the national security team just days after the election. by the time david petraeus got his first taste of real combat, he was a 50-year-ol
fbi was investigating the retired four star general after allegations surfaced he was having an affair with a woman who was writing his biography. paula broadwell. the official says there were concerns petraeus as head of the cia could be blackmailed. he acknowledged an extramarital affair in his resignation letter to colleagues. it's not clear if broadwell is the woman who was having an fair with. we've been unable to reach her for comment on this. >>> now petraeus was appointed cia...
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why would the fbi be involved in this anyway? >> the fbi is supposed to investigate predicated federal crimes. and they don't know when they start an investigation precisely whether the evidence ultimately will show there was a crime. i don't know what they were told initially by this woman, or what they were told by anybody who was friendly with her who had the ear of somebody at the bureau. but with great respect, that's one of those subsidiary questions. it's an interesting if not then would this all have happened. that's sort of the cleopatra's nose theory. if she had an ugly nose, would history have been different. that's an interesting question to discuss but i don't think it's a fundamental one. >> this revelation that apparently the investigation was concluded four days before the election clearly somebody has decided, whoever that may be and i'm sure we'll find out in the forms of time, that the information should not be passed to the white house, although i share your concern about the white house's blanket denial they
why would the fbi be involved in this anyway? >> the fbi is supposed to investigate predicated federal crimes. and they don't know when they start an investigation precisely whether the evidence ultimately will show there was a crime. i don't know what they were told initially by this woman, or what they were told by anybody who was friendly with her who had the ear of somebody at the bureau. but with great respect, that's one of those subsidiary questions. it's an interesting if not then...
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a senior federal official and close friend of david petraeus, 37-year-old jill kelly complained to fbi agents about being harassed by paula broadwell, david petraeus's biographer. a senior u.s. military official says jill kelly is involved in wounded warrior fundraisering in tampa, is married, she and her husband are close family official friends. officials say petraeus's down fall began when kelly complained to the fbi that she was receiving intimidating e-mails from broadwell. those e-mails led to the discovery of others between general petraeus and broadwell and were indicative of an extramarital affair. >> my first reaction was disbelief. >> reporter: steven boylen is petraeus's former spokesperson and served with him in iraq. he has spoken with petraeus this weekend and says his former boss is remorseful. >> in his words, he screwed up and he knows it. >> reporter: a senior law enforcement official tells nbc news that fbi officials interviewed general petraeus in late october and conclude there had was no criminal violation. members of congress are asking why the fbi did not infor
a senior federal official and close friend of david petraeus, 37-year-old jill kelly complained to fbi agents about being harassed by paula broadwell, david petraeus's biographer. a senior u.s. military official says jill kelly is involved in wounded warrior fundraisering in tampa, is married, she and her husband are close family official friends. officials say petraeus's down fall began when kelly complained to the fbi that she was receiving intimidating e-mails from broadwell. those e-mails...